Hi

been burning kratom for a few years now and it's been very good for me. Helped me through some tough times


I've heard that it's about to be made illegal in the UK, which worries me a lot.

I'm looking for ways to fight this ban

Peace Rabbit

Hi, Peace Rabbit, and welcome

Where did you hear that it's about to be made illegal in the UK?

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to link to another forum.

But what I gather is the 'Powers that Be' are putting a law through to ban 'Novel Psychoactive Substances' on the advice from the ACMD. Kratom is included.

I'm trying to find out more about it, but it doesn't look good

From what ive searched on the subject this is not true. Well not yet. The report you may be referring to was posted in 2010 after the Irish ban and some people just jumped to conclusions. Kratom has not been singled out at any point by the ACMD for consideration. A letter was sent on 17th May 2012 recommending better forensic testing procedures for things sold in headshops as some could contain drugs that are already banned. Mention of the issue of people buying items from the internet was also raised as a concern. The letter also suggested that the Police should be advised on approaching headshops and interacting with them about what exactly was being sold. Again, at no point does it mention any particular product however. There are many "novel" (new) highs being sold out there as we are all aware. My guess is that its the chemical kind that will be under the most scrutiny (and rightly so imo). Kratom just doesnt come close to the suspicion that that stuff causes.

I hope you're right Snaggletooth.

The reason I brought this up is that a reputable and responsible vendor in the UK recently closed down citing a new law coming in later this year.

Of course we know that kratom is nothing like the dubious synthetic concotions that Head Shops sell, but the politicians don't - they mainly get their (mis)information from tabloid hysteria.

the gist was that benign natural herbs like K were being tarred with the same brush as the 'Legal Highs' and would be included in the ban. History has shown we can hardly expect the lawmakers to be rational and thorough when it comes to the subject of controlled substances - that's what got me worried

I do hope you're right though

There was a UK vendor who closed down not so long ago, and claimed that he had information to the effect that kratom was definitely going to be banned, imminently, in the UK, and that he was closing for that reason.

That's not the tack that I take, because a. it seems fatalistic to assume that there will be a ban and that nothing can be done about it, and b. if you have a successful business selling kratom, why close down months before a ban is announced? Even if you know it's going to happen, why not continue trading until it becomes impossible to do so?

Last time I spoke to the vendor in question was before the Queen's Speech, and he told me that he was expecting the old girl to announce a ban on NPS's. She didn't, though. Today Ken Clarke, the justice minister, went on record as having said that the war on drugs has been a failure. Although he also said he wasn't in favour of decriminalisation, I hope that the government have lost their appetite for banning more substances. With the continent's economy going down the tube, it's not as if they haven't got other stuff to worry about.

I dunno. We'll see. At the moment as far as the UK is concerned I'm just watching and waiting, collecting testimonials from people who use kratom responsibly, and if a ban is formally and publicly proposed it'll be time for action stations.

By the way, Peace Rabbit, following your post above re. linking to other forums: normally it wouldn't be a problem, but now that I know which forum you're talking about, I don't think it would be appropriate. That place is just one big elaborate cartel.

LOL I would have loved to hear the Queen mention Kratom

as far as the vendor in question - he said he was going to shut down a couple of years ago for health reasons but then didn't - I don't think he relied on selling K as an income, so it didn't really matter to him one way or the other.

I'm glad to see some are more optimistic, but I'd still like some official clarity on the issue. Maybe I'll email the ACMD

I've asked the vendor in question for any updates - he's a very knowledgable guy. I hope he won't mind me reposting what he said:




so it looks like it's still up in the air.

I'd really like to send a letter to these 'powers that be' explaining exactly what Kratom is and pointing out that it's very different to the legal highs they're seeking to ban. Prevention is better than cure, after all

Prevention is absolutely easier than fighting the ban after it has gone into effect. We're seeing that here with one state in particular. Can you all keep us posted on the potential issue in the UK? I think it's very important that we combat this as much as possible. If the UK bans it then the US officials will be far more convinced on doing the same here. It's important that we prevent such a thing.

I agree! Lets stand ready to do what we can to avoid it becoming a problem. One of you from there will definately have to let us know who, what when and how for UK since it is so different from the US.

Its gonna be much tougher in the UK as we're not split into states like the US. A ban will be nationwide if it were to take place, and given that our neighbour Ireland have already banned it then its definitely a concern.

Id allways stock up though just in case but im not to worried at the moment,you can ban things and there putting thing in to class A B C therefore proper illigal.so even if it was banned like kava kava theres allways a way to get hands on it ft gets past customs ok.A freind in ireland can still get it allthough carnt be sold there.Its just a herb at the end of the day and realy would look silly the police raiding your house for kratom.reseach chemicals fair enough i think they was gonna ban salvia and khat a couple of years ago but nothing became of it.

Jono_84 wrote:


we know that but those idiots don't. The police regularly raid people's homes for a certain other herb

btw are we allowed to talk about reputable vendors here? I'd like to confer with fellow Brits about where they buy from now

It is best to do any name naming by private messaging. There are several vendors represented on this forum and that way nobody in particular gets more acknowledgment than another. Thanks for checking!

cannabis is a victim of the 1920s narcotics properganda act.not that deadly it just too unprecdicatble and strong like and has more unpredictable side effects on the mind like with skunk etc with younger school kids.but tiney amounts its fine with weaker strains and decent hash but its mildly phycdelic i know it very safe but kratom is freindly.but they shoud jusy have coffeshops in the uk showing the THC CoNtent. if they ban k an amd stocks gone spose ill have to go back to weed.I dont agree with baning plants its wrong rc chems fair enough .im collecting k every week If it is banned but it to heathy and benificial if they look into how mutch it helped peoples lives.The liberal demercats homefuly will live up to ther name.the more you have the less rewarding it is due to selflimiting alcaloids in the leaf.coffeis more toxic in my opinion.

Just wanted to take this first opportunity to say hello & tell my quick story about Kratom. After a painful surgery 4 years ago I was prescribed Vicoden. Long story short I became addicted and saw that it was beginning to take a toll on my lifeq. I considered rehab(suboxone) but the fees were outrageous and quite frankly the side effects scared me. I started reading about Kratom through a forum for recovering addicts and decided to try it. Placed an order with Kratom therapy and when it arrived I wasn't sure what to do with it.

I had ordered the capsules. I believe I went through one day of terrible withdrawals from the vicoden-diarrhea, sweating, sever leg cramps. I took my first dose of kratom-about 6 capsules-and within the hour I felt completely normal & pain free. I now use Kratom about three times a day. Morning, afternoon & before bed and have been off the painkillers for one year. I would be devastated if I wasn't able to purchase Kratom. It has saved my life and allowed me to lead a productive life again. If only everyone could understand the benefits of this herb and how it has helped so many peopleq. It is relatively inexpensive and much much safer than methadone or suboxone. Thanks for reading my long winded story.