I still consider myself a newbee to this site, but like I said in my first postings I have some Ideas, and asked for someone to contact me, or open up a line of cummantion. I haven't heard from any one yet, and now all these stories of how bad Kratom is. I can't sit silent any longer, so here is my last time offer. The guy that does the you tubes is a good talker, and he needs to do his thing to a large audance, like say 3 million people, I might be able to get his on a talk radio show, The Alex Johnes show, AJ does battel against goberment corruption to say the least, If this guy were to go on to the live AJ show the truth of Kratom would be out, but a warning to you vendors of Kratom, "IF" AJ puts on a show like this you vendors would have hundreds of thousands of new users.
If you are intrested, feal free to contact me and I will do my part, I will step aside and not say another word if I don't hear from any one. What about the weekly live chat room? Has any one given that some thought? Is there any one willing to take charge of that? I would if I knew how to set it up.
OK, it's up to you folks to help me do some real help, for us.

Take action, or delete this message, the choise is yours.

Rich

I like the idea of doing a talk show (johnny would be a great rep) but I think that it could backfire terribly. Alex Jones is a conspiracy theorist, and pretty controversial... I just don't think he would be the right person, if we decide to go the talk show route. I'm not saying he's wrong necessarily, just that a lot of people perceive him a certain way, and we don't want them to associate KA in that way. I could be wrong, just something to think about. Any move like this should be thoroughly discussed before we do anything.

Well, to tell you the truth, I am one of those people, AJ is his worst enemny, the guy is a nut, truth? Yes he does tell a lot of truthfull stuff, Information? Yes he is this country's biggest fighter against the new world order, but, and a big but, I think he is a part of the problem of whats coming, but thats another story.
Yes there will be a lot of people thinking bad if Kratom goes on his show, BUT, it won't even compair to the good, He has 3 million listners EVERY DAY. Like you said, the boss must clear it with much dissision, if all else fails Jonnie can be on another that is very well respected, but not as large of an aduiance.

At least one person gave some input, <smile>
thanx
Rich

No doubt governments are corrupt at one level or another, but Luminati, 911 inside jobs, Rothschilds, faked moon landings, men in black, etc. Someone call me an ambulance, my sides are splitting here

And not forgetting....

.......the "Big Pharma" conspiracy, usually mentioned in conjunction with: "they dont want you to get better because their profits would fall" and ending with some extolling of the virtues of Complementary and Alternative Medicine (CAM). All of which could be valid if it wasnt for one little reason: The World Health Organisation states that globally CAM is worth $60billion a year, of which $2.7billion was spent (last year) in the US alone. Now given that (allegedly) "big pharma" dont like to see their profits fall, wouldnt the same be true for CAM? I mean they dont give it away for free do they? (which is pretty obvious based on those figures). I can buy a pack of 16 painkillers for a headache for 25p (about 35c) where i live, a CAM remedy for the same thing costs £7 (about $10). Now tell me whos enslaving who here? Yeah the truth is out there conspiracy theorists, you just choose to ignore it. Oh, and i didnt even mention the dubious efficacy of CAM. But why should we care about evidence eh? Much better to make a story up without any.

You make some good points. However, but I have a question Snaggletooh, are your meds in your country compensated under your government health coverage? In the States its alot different. If you dont have insurance, like me, and you get a bad ear infection a antibiotic pack cost 125$ for generic z-pac. For me antibiotics are a last resort, so I tried a no sugar diet for a couple weeks for free. It actually did work.

Insurance is expensive in the States, If you pay for it on your own, you spend at least 200 dollars a month for a healthy person under 30. But you still have to pay 100% percent of your costs if you have a prexisting condition, for a year before 80% benefits kick in. If you are not lucky enough to have a job with good benefits then you are still paying quite a bit out of pocket.

Also something to think about, Alternative medicines are not just one entity, its several hundreds maybe thousands of companies . Big Pharma, if you follow the trail, is probably a handful of companies. The distribution of wealth is much different if you look at it that way.

To me, its about having a choice, not having to go through western medicine if I don't want to, or combining alternative medicines with standard medical practices. I do not want my choices to be dictated by the government or corporations that lobby the politicians to sway them a certain way.

I also wanted to say, getting back to what we can do. There has been some small amount of positive press about Kratom, the natural news mentioned something not too long ago. The Forbes article, where the reporter says he is going kratom a try,( that story may not have been completely positive but there were positive points to it) positivity should be commented on as much as the negative articles. The post on Current TV could be very helpful if enough people react to it, maybe a news story could come about. I bet Current TV viewing audience is much larger than Longview Washington.

I also think we should be pitching stories to the independent news agencies. Get to them first and tell the other side of the story, so when other reporters search they find positive mentions too. Reporters are like sheep, they want a hot story but don't want to step out of their comfort zone, They follow the safe path. If they see most people say something nasty about a topic, they will follow what their colleagues do.

We haven't, as a group, gotten a chance to tell the positive side of kratom to a larger audience. I think going to the respected independent news agencies like Real News, Raw Story, American Independent News Network, Alternet to name a few, and pitching stories to them, asking for unbiased coverage of Kratom would be beneficial.

There has been negative claims made by the media all based without merit or truth, Yet there are all of us here and others out there that know from personal experience the great benefit of kratom. The negative comments have no evidential backing. But our experience does when enough people report the same findings. So the way I see it, right now it comes down to our word against theirs. They have no evidence. There is still time to get some positive recognition to kratom. We are the best evidence that it improves quality of life. Lets write letters to the independent media and other media outlets that you trust and respect. Lets get the positivity out there.

Thats my two cents anyway

I really believe we could do some good by getting the positive messages out there and reinforcing them when they do happen.

In the UK, if youre employed, you pay whats called National Insurance which is deducted from your wages each week. You cannot opt out of this as it is mandatory. Based on my own situation i get £55 deducted each week which amounts to around $300 in your money a month. So probably the same or a little more. For this, all your medical needs are covered, including surgery etc if required. I can see how this money might be an issue for some, and I certainly sympathize. In some ways its easier for us because as soon as you become an adult and start working NI will always be taken from your salary in the UK. Maybe it is much harder to be self-regimented and put away that money yourself for medical costs. But all of this actually wasnt my point, whats happening is, people are out to find some cheaper alternative then, some magic cure, that does the same job as evidential medicine but costs less. And therein lies the problem. You are being preyed upon by unscrupulous snake oil salesmen who will sell you these wonder cures with promises of great results while inferring that "big pharma" doesnt want you to know about them, or that it works, but scientists dont understand why (this has been claimed for anything from accupunture to homeopathy, to reiki). And this is what really pees me off. An industry like CAM is as much a business as scientific medicine but (unfortunately) without the evidence to back up its claims. We all know that if you take a couple of ibuprofen or aspirin etc for a moderate pain it will pretty much work, but some diluted water dripped on a sugar pill containing not one atom of anything else? Come on! And the sad thing is, people really want it to work, theyre crying out for it to work, and for a short period of time the placebo effect convinces them that it does work, but alas that is all theyve paid good money for. And the (s)CAM industry continues to make billions a year telling us that its all natural and how awful and evil big bad pharmacology is. Even speaking like I am now brings accusations of "being in big pharmas pocket" (gawd i wish) and across the internet thousands of sites await to draw in the unwary with their promises of instant secret cures at rock bottom prices. Yes, paying medical insurance sucks, and its surely a rock and a hard place situation, but decades of documented research into drugs and medical advances costs money and time to deliver. Anyone can set up a clinic offering "ancient Chinese medicine" or even a chiropractic center where you could easily damage a persons spine (children as young as 2yrs old have had their spines manipulated by these idiots). There is little regulation across the world concerning "alternative" therapies/practices apart from the choice to pay thousands of dollars to get yourself a certificate issued by those said to be in charge of it all which has no more value scientifically than a piece of toilet paper.
For a long time now many hoped that kratom would be able to join the clan of "alternative" medicine and be recognised as such but IMO its never been a guaranteed way to save it from an ultimate ban. Things like St Johns Wort has been banned in several countries (including Ireland) largely for its interaction with blood thinning drugs and problems with it when taken by pregnant women. It was used for decades for depression and anxiety however with some good results reported, but even with it being (one of the few) possibilities of alternatives it still never came close to the effectiveness of proper anxiety medicines (and i can vouch for this personally 100%). It would be great if we all could live with the promise of a cheap fix for all our ailments but its never going to be. But while that search (and for some desperation) goes on, we will have those trying to tell us they have the (alternative) answer. Its the system in the US that is wrong (I mentioned it before here but check out M.Moores "Sicko" documentary) not evidential medicine.
Kratom will continue to be allowed a sale as long as the powers that be grant it. I know it sounds defeatist but take a look around already at other countries and see what happened there. One day it was legal the next it wasnt. Our biggest enemy is these shitty media reports declaring it as some evil street drug which should be banned. Its not big pharma trying to muscle in and keep us all ill so they can sell us their kratom pills, or them trying to synthesize kratom into something else, that is just clutching at straws. Conspiracy theories are the realm of the buffoon IMO. Lack of evidence being no barrier to construing whatever kind of hogwash you see fit. Its hilarious how some overweight social dropout sitting at his bedroom computer in his underwear can claim to know more about whats going on in the World right now than those of us who take the time to read non-biased accounts of global issues on a daily basis. Truth is stranger than fiction but it can also be proven. Right now vendors want to keep selling kratom and I (sure as sh*t) want to keep buying it. I think that sentence sums up this entire K Association in a nutshell. I just hope (sori i dont do praying) that this continues for a long time to come and the medias "conspiracy" of kratom being the next big drug (it sells headlines) dries up and we can quietly go back to enjoying what we do.

All we ask is to be left the hell alone until they have some bloody good reason why we shouldnt be. Im all for evidence and proof and in terms of negatives with kratom I havent seen any factually worth reporting.

snaggletooth wrote:


I could not agree more!

MeRich wrote:

Could you be more specific about what you are proposing?

Sure can, The guy that led me here, I think is Jonnie, he led me here via youtube, in my opinion he does a fine job speaking and supporting Kratom, problen is it is not getting to the masses (look at the viewed numbers on his you tube) I am perposing he do the same sales job on a live talk Radio show.

One 30 min talk show would get to thousands if not millions of people in an instant. I know a couple talk show hosts, at one of the best talk radio companys in the entire country, no where near as popular as the Alex Jones shows, so I am perposing he be intervied by a few of them.

It is pretty simple really, he sits in the comfort of his own home and is intervied by a host over the phone, instantly go over the air waves.

Rich