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depression 10 months 4 days ago #12040

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Hi!
I am new to KA and fairly new to kratom. I have had a long history with depression. I have been reading other topics and threads and am happy to see others finding success with kratom and their depression! Even though I know there are a lot of variables (strains, tolerance, vendors, etc.)I am hoping to hear and learn from what strains and amounts have worked for you as related to depression. I looked for a similar thread, and if there is one and I am duplicating one, my apologies.
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depression 10 months 4 days ago #12050

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Hey there. First of all, i am glad to hear you are researching alternate methods of treatment. Kratom has been a lifesaver for me in battling alcohol dependancy and bipolar disorder. With regards to strain recommendations, my personal favorite is Bali (aka Borneo). I find it to be the most euphoric and mood enhancing FOR ME PERSONALLY. I would definitely recommend listening to the feedback of others in this forum befor diving in right away. It's the wisest thing to do in my opinion.

Also, while kratom and many other herbs out there have an excellent track record in helping one cope with depression, addiction withdrawal, ect, it is always wise to stay tethered to professional counseling in addition. While kratom has seriously helped me like no other, i still keep a strong support group close to me at all times, whether that be a friend, family member, therapist, you name it. I mean, the kind of people i could call at 3am if need be.

Not trying to preach to the choir. I'm sure you have already considered these things. I would just hate for someone to dive into a new substance without first assessing the ins and outs.

Glad to have you on board, my friend!
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depression 10 months 4 days ago #12051

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I hope you have good fortune. I have found Kratom helps with my depression to a degree. It is worth a try. I would recommend you try a sample pack so you can try different strains. I had one particular strain that dropped my blood pressure I couldn't stand, slow and easy.
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depression 8 months 3 weeks ago #12947

Hi, just my 2 cents - for my depression it works like a charm, in an extent none of my 2 hands full of daily AD medication ever did , and instantly, but also only as long as i take it. 2nd day after i'm already stuck inside it again. But then again Kratom seems all i need to feel like alive again, so i have a hard time staying away from it - that might influence that to a degree, i guess :D
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depression 8 months 3 weeks ago #12951

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My advice would be to not think about using kratom as a permanent solution. Rather, consider using it to give you the strength and energy you need to start to pick yourself back up. Let it help you find a better mind state, deal with what you can deal with inside yourself. And let it help you get to doing the things you want to do in life. But try not to just rely on it's energy and mood lift with no effort to do the things that you can do to help yourself.

My opinion is that there is no magic pill or plant for depression. Rather there are many things that can get you from a place where you can't help yourself to one where you can. But when you get there you will still have to put in some effort on your own.

Kratom can open a door, a way out, but you will still have to walk through the door.
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depression 8 months 3 weeks ago #12962

Hey there :)

Yes, of course - there aren't any magic buttons to press, at least spoken from experience. But to give a picture of (my) depression, it's just like you have to put all your energy (and always even some more) into just keep going while you don't really know what for since life isn't any fun anymore and you are sick, sad (or angry or what ever) and tired all the time. So all you (me) are looking for is something that releases you from the necessity to "fight" all the time ... As i said, that's my experience, but i guess others might put it another way, but the essence is the same. But that's just what i believe. Not trying to sound wretched, only want to make the picture clear :)
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depression 8 months 3 weeks ago #12972

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I know what you mean about it being like a fight. It's like it takes constant effort just go about life. Conventional phsycology calls this depression, however there are also some alternative ways to look at and work with these feelings.

Before I go any further though, I'd like to say that I'm not at all a religious person. I don't even like much of what I see in spirituality. It often seems so mystical and magical. Yet it is from this direction that many people are looking at alternatives to conventional views of things like depression and even bipolar disorder.

Take for example the feeling of fighting and effort. There are, for lack of a better word "spiritual" approaches and concepts that deal with a desire to exist less in opposition to life. Call it being one with life or whatever, but maybe some people can no longer exist in ways that require fighting and effort against internal and external forces. Maybe instead of medicine we just need to find ways to live more gracefully and in tune with ourselves and the world around us.

Is it you, are you mentally deficient, or are you just struggling to find a way to fit into a sometimes very strange and unaccommodating world? Do you need to change or does the world need to change? Or maybe is there some way for you to be you, in this zany world, but still find a way to make life effortless and graceful?

Something to try, as crazy as it may sound is to just ask for a different perspective. Maybe try just admitting to yourself, life, god, or whatever that conventional approaches are making less and less sense and you'd like to find some different ways of thinking about these feelings of constant effort. It might be time to say, "What can I see, do, think, or feel differently, in order to find a way of life that isn't so difficult."

The feelings you feel are a very common thing and something that I myself struggle with. Convention wisdom says that the world is fine. Our paradigms are fine. You just need to fix you brain chemistry and then go back to working hard, putting in effort, fighting to get to some arbitrary goal. However before you buy into these ideas understand that plenty of people have called bullshit on the old, forceful, me vs life mentality and are trying to find ways to do things differently.

Yep, just ask for some different ideas about how you can approach these issues and see what happens.
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depression 8 months 3 weeks ago #12976

Hey - thanks for your reply :)

And no, i don't think that sounds crazy at all!
First of, i forgot to say in my last post why i wrote that and wanted to make the picture clear at all - it was just to point out where the difficulty is with "working at it". From my perspective.

As i said, i don't consider finding new perspectives crazy at all, my problem is, maybe i didn't find the right ones, or it's just that: The depression endorses itself as reality, it sits there like a heavy rock, palpable in it's massiveness, while the new perspectives or ideas are merely light reflexes or tiny insects swirling around it for a short while. The problem is to make the perspectives massive enough to have any influence on that dark meterorite that thrones there like an iceberg.

Maybe a magical ritual or something like that (or the psychological equivalent) would be a possibility to do that, i simply haven't found any, yet.

Another method to break out of that vicious circle might be just to "drop out", a possibility that always had a certain appeal to me, but there's only very little room for that here where i live, so to say. I don't like the way we have to live here very much anyway- or the life destined for the masses, where, i fear, i have to count myself in.

Where the perspectives you spoke of somehow defined, or did you mean it rather in a general way?
(looks like i'm asking for perspectives like you said ;) )

sorry for my english, i guess i must sound pretty weird sometimes
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depression 8 months 3 weeks ago #12997

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I don't mean ask someone else for a different way to look at you situation. I mean put yourself in a state of mind where you are willing to let go of anything you believe and be open to new ideas. An easy way to do that is to adopt the humility it takes ask for a new perspective. The asking can be of a higher power of your choice or just in a general, ambiguous kind of way. The point is to be humble, open, and willing to reevaluate any aspect of your life or your beliefs.

I know I've felt how you describe. It's been bad enough that I've been willing to throw everything away. A job, a family, friends and even quite literally my life if I can't find some way to make life work for me. Yet eventually, often what I've found is that I might be only the tiniest bit out of line, or off coarse from a life that makes sense. Instead of making huge changes the solution might be as simple as a minor lifestyle, attitude, or belief adjustement. When I figure it out it's like "poof" the weight is gone and I can start working on life again. Not that everything is instantly fixed. More like the oppressive force is lifted and I can actually make progress toward improving my life and state of mind.

Of course life never stops and neither does personal evolution. Just because I figured out something today doesn't mean that I've figured it all out. Inevitable it's only a matter of time before again I feel like I'm eering off course a bit. And again the weight starts to build. And again I have to try to figure out what I'm missing. A if I can't figure it out, then again and again I might have to "ask for help." But sure enough, every time I feel like I can't go on anymore, "poof" there it is, a solution, a way forward, the weight lifts and I'm moving forward again.

I sincerely believe that these "episodes" are a part of what it takes to continually evolve as a human being. Yet conventional psychology labels these feelings as abnormal and attempts to find ways to suppress them so that you can continue to live and think and feel exactly the way you always have.

Anyway, as for what tiny little piece of the puzzle will unlock your weights, well, maybe just ask for it.
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depression 8 months 3 weeks ago #13002

I was only kidding, of course i knew you you didn't mean to ask someone else - i'm kind of a notorious silly joker, part because i like it - it's somehow surrealistic to me, but i fear i'd have a hard time to explain that to someone else, and part because the lamest joke is better than crying. Not because of some strange pride, it just feels better.

Now, this is no joke, nor is it meant sarcastically - those are wise words!
Especially the part about the personal evolution - of course i have only myself for such observations, but everything seems to run in circles, i mean, everything in interior life comes back, or almost everything, again and again, but if you look close it may have a slightly changed meaning every time. Like a wheel (pun intended), but if examined closer, it's more like a spiral ... Here is why i seldom get a grip on anything, as soon as i start examining the piece just coming around, it's already gone again, so to say, if trying to stay within that picture.

But i fear my talk's becoming cryptical even beyond my normal standard, so i better stop here :)

Thanks and later,

mb
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depression 8 months 2 weeks ago #13012

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I know exactly what you mean. Round and round over the same issues, except every time you seem to become just a little more refined.
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depression 8 months 2 weeks ago #13041

Exactly! But not only issues, but also interests, moods and so on. Almost every thinkable content of the mind, always orbiting round and round ...
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depression 7 months 3 weeks ago #13913

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I wish I had found kratom when I was deep in depression, although I no longer have depression I use kratom here and there just as a nice relaxing tea to start or end my day. I would go with BALI KRATOM. The three venders I stick and buy from are , not in order ( The Kratom King, Phytoextractum, & Bouncing bear botanicals)
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depression 7 months 3 weeks ago #13937

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Oh yes, kratom has saved my ass. I was diagnosed with major depressive disorder, recurrent, severe since I was 16, and is basically like not even being able to eat or get out of bed. I don't know how because kratom isn't an antidepressant, but I feel MUCH more capable of living life on life's terms with kratom. Much more stable.

I generally go with the red strains: boreno, Sumatra, Thai. Mostly boreno and Thai. It helps tremendously.
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